(we can argue "counter" ofc but i think you get what i'm saying)

"I was there. We went to this ice field and there were miners mining ice, and we wanted to mine ice as well. Not without bing able to AFK in peace and safety. And then 5 new miners warped into the field. But the fleet commander, he kept it together. They knew ice never runs out, so we kept on mining. I didn't know if I was gonna make it. Then the Orca arrived, it helped us with its bonuses. And then I ran to the forums to tell everyone. I was there."

The new order is growing all the time, that's a temporary solution.

Jeez people, we have to put our money where our mouth is! Prove we aren't the wimps they assume we are!

I mined Ice in Deninard for two weeks in anticipation of the blobs of Destroyers. And I don't even need Gallente Ice.

They never came.

Who are the real care bears here?

And that, in turn, brings us, the forum-dwellers and local-purveyors, great content.

Just seems incredibly boring to spend game time bumping, miners in high sec. Not that mining in high sec is any less boring. No idea why some kids are so fixated on high sec miners, high sec mining pay is crap.

10 Million ISK and you will not get bumped this seems alot cheaper than declaring war or hiring mercs.

He may not mine, he may never have been bumped. I, on the other hand, do mine and have been bumped, I still mine (roids not ice) and spend some of my time helping to remove fellow miners from the ice belts via bumping, because it appeals to my twisted sense of humour.

Next irrelevant argument please?

Just an idea, maybe the miners can come together and drive the ore prices up until either the community turns on them, the bumpers stop or Alliances wipe them out (bumpers).

The only people who don't like high-sec miners are the people are described earlier in this post. People who feel the need to coerce others into doing things their way. YOU would prefer me play a certain way so you grief me. It's lame and stupid and I'm salivating at CCPs obvious actions towards this in a patch.

Not going to happen, miners on the whole couldn't organise a drinking party in a brewery, expecting them to set up a cartel is laughable.

There are miners out there who are excellent PvPers and often welcome good fights.

Still waiting for Issler to pop up in one of these threads and lead the miners to freedom, or something. I guess they aren't *that* important until election time rolls back around.

Increasing the mass can only be done to a small amount. and it does not help. Sure yo may be going only 2000 m/sec after a bump instead of 2500, but it takes longer to slow down too, and you still end up out of range before the miner cycle ends.

A ship going 100 m/sec cannot dodge one going 2500. There is the option of a speed tanked Skiff. Not sure if that could dodge.... Anyone tried it?

You are misrepresenting my quote. I was referring to James' egging-on posts attempting to solicit abusive reposes on purpose. Please do not take my posts out of contexts for your own purposes. Thank you.

And while your last statement may be true, it still does not make it right.

Not the statement, the fact that miners take abuse.

Forced because they wish to do x in a game, and subset A abuses subset B for doing x. If subset B went to do y or z, they would not be enjoying the "sandbox" as you so call it. That is why it's forced. It's either do what they like/love, or do something they reall don't like because some loud mouth individual does not approve of their game play choice.

Why do you make false claims that miners do not interact with people? I interact with people every time I login, even when offline by selling minerals. You have lost the plot dude, and you lying and acting like you know what every miner does is quite sad.

You are worse then the miners who cry about getting ganked. Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.

It is a sandbox, not a war zone. Let the miners mine.

What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?

Blowing up is one thing. Bumping cannot be actively countered despite past arguments. The "counters" are (non-minmatar) duct tape fixes. Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant to me. I believe it's unfair to them.

The credibility that I did not have to rely on the "go back to [insert game here]" mentality to counter an argument.

Also post with your main.

While that might work elsewhere, I know well enough the community's "attitude" towards assumed "whiners." It's an intended insult saying 'Eve does not want you, get out (p.s. give me your stuff). They like Eve the game, but not the people who play it.

No. They shouldn't have to leave because of some player with a vendetta against another person's gameplay.

Instead of dragging this out, I'm going to agree to disagree. I don't feel like arguing the same point for another 50 posts.

Oh us poor miners, we never look at local, we do not use Teamspeak or other such tools. I know I do not have 27 systems in which I keep mining ships, that would be to much for us poor miners to do.

I disagree that a sandbox game should have bullies keeping people in the real world from enjoying something they do without an actual mechanic to defend against it.

this entire thread is an exercise in repletion since post 1

They have sp set to indy not pvp and the ships are indy ships not pvp.

People come here and try to place all the miners in the same catagory to justify their own ignorance and bias and hatred for a type of game play they dont like or understand.

This type of of ignorance can be found in abundance in real life and not just in this game.